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# Interview: Bob and Mike’s Big Idea with Bob Hazen and Mike Wong
- URL: https://www.cascadepbs.org/show/nova/specials/bob-and-mikes-big-idea-x1q3bl/
- Published: 2025-09-22T16:31:04.000Z
- Updated: 2025-12-11T23:30:46.000Z
- Description: Has science been missing a fundamental law of nature for centuries?
- Author: Cascade PBS Staff
- Tags: NOVA, #ZZZ_Show_8f1ff589-6222-4260-acbf-0523a6424abf, #v1.7, #ZZZ_Special_5937171e-a671-4614-8cda-2e7c2a790e92, #special

The universe loves making things complicated. From minerals and microbes to languages and societies, complexity keeps showing up — but why? Astrobiologist Mike Wong and mineralogist Bob Hazen think we’re missing a law of nature to explain this phenomenon. Hakeem sits down with them to understand their bold new idea: what they call a Law of Increasing Functional Information.